He jests at scars that never felt a wound
- William Shakespeare -
One of the myths that even those who buy into it are totally dissatisfied, and mystified with is we should suffer like Christ. The main scripture that is endorsed for this concept is Romans 8:17 but to encompass the whole we must start from Romans 8:1 through 8:17.
Romans 8:1-17
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken [heal or resurrect] your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (KJV)
Now at first glance the words “we suffer with Him that we may be glorified together” sounds grim to say the least. But let’s take a look at a few truths to center our attention. It is important to point out that we have three types of suffering.
1.) What we do to ourselves
2.) What others do to us
3.) The curse of sickness, poverty, death
Number three was taken care of at the cross. Jesus died to defeat the works of the devil that include death, sickness, and poverty. It is written, “By His stripes we where healed” as written in Isaiah and later repeated again by Peter. And Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. [Prosper - to be successful or fortunate, esp. in financial respects; thrive; flourish. Archaic. To make successful or fortunate]. Romans 8 states if we steer clear of pursuing the flesh [the mind, will and emotions] as well as it’s appetites then the redemptive power that Jesus performed on the cross takes care of “the curse”. Sickness, disease, poverty and death are nullified. Now on the onset most do not believe this to be true hence they do not see any of the effects since many are living inside their own inner fence. That is where faith comes in as the major operative and another subject. But for the purpose of this text, structurally this is how God has set up system. Proverbs reminds us about our minds:
Proverbs 23:7
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: (KJV)
Matthew 12:34
...out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. (KJV)
Proverbs 4:23
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues [boundaries - fences] of life. (KJV)
However we think things are, so they are for us. We create our own fences.
Number two is taken care of in that it is known that others will mock you, kill you, hate you or disrespect you on what you believe about God and more important Jesus. An example would be 2 Timothy 3:11 as follows:
2 Timothy 3:11
Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. (KJV)
Contrasted by
Matthew 13:21
Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. (KJV)
In 2 Timothy 3:11 we see these are problems that come from outside ones self [uncontrolled]. In Matthew 13:21 we see the problem is from the inside [controlled]. Now a popular concept is Christians are to learn to rejoice and give thanks for tribulations, because God uses suffering to produce patience in us or teaches a lesson to us. Well yes, and no. The use of wording like “God uses suffering” is a lie. We can use suffering to teach ourselves but God does not use suffering to teach us. Suffering is already embedded in the system of obedience whither you learn something or not. The more you obey God the less suffering you need to endure. Doing the Word is the umbrella. Suffering is the rain. Walk out from under the umbrella and the rain will fall on you - without fail. The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. Our perception is that God uses the rain to keep us under the umbrella when God wants us under His umbrella rain or shine. All suffering is man-made by omission or commission. If suffering was such a great tool, why does everyone want it to stop as soon as possible? If sickness teaches us then why don’t we just get on with it instead of running to the doctor or the medicine cabinet?
We can’t suffer “with” Jesus since He is not suffering currently. And since He suffered for us it seems a bit redundant that we still need to suffer regardless of all He did for us so we did not have to. So as far as suffering from outside causes we are instructed to forgive those who know not what they are doing. Forgiveness is paramount. Loving those who are loveless is key. Blessing those who abuse, persecute, and use us. Why? In doing those things we open the windows of heaven to us, and God is able to intervene on our behalf. Now I’m not talking about being a martyr. Martyrs, like Paul, know they are set up to be just that and operate willingly on a different set of purposes and anointing. They are the exception not the rule. The death of a martyr is planted so others can have life. So unless you are called to be a martyr you are called to have life more abundant. So number two is covered as far as those “sufferings” are concerned. What is done to us is circumvented by love and faith in God to deliver you out of the pot of boiling oil, fiery furnace, the den of lions, or the land of giants.
The first issue is the main culprit here. And that is what we do to ourselves. Since the Kingdom is a system there are those who operate within the system and have success and those who work outside the system and have complete or intermittent failure. Some failures can be unto death. God does not use suffering and death to teach us. Beside the fact there are no more lessons after death. In fact most suffering is not enough to teach those who go through it. Many times it goes around and around and the suffering is never ending. For some reason people don’t understand why God let’s them suffer even though they don’t want to change to His way of doings things. It is the spiritual mystery of our time. Let the following rest upon your spirit:
Proverbs 26:2
As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. [ every - curse has a cause] (KJV)
If we don’t take heed to God’s Kingdom principles then number three, the curse, is allowed to operate since we are out from under the umbrella. Being a magnet for trials, tribulations, death, and suffering is what Jesus went to the cross for. Christians have the opportunity to escape the lion. Satan goes about like a lion seeking whom he may devour. There is a standard of criteria as to what he can and can’t do. But when that criterion is met predictable results will occur. Can you learn a lesson? Sure if you go through the process you should have already gone through to avoid the problem in the first place. Bad things can happen to good people for at least three reasons if they are Christian. One is that they don’t do the things they know they should or they do things they know they shouldn’t. Two is they don’t know what is right or wrong on critical spiritual subjects because they don’t study scripture or lack proper teaching. The third reason is the inclusion of all the above reasons with the addition of a shallow prayer life.
Ecclesiastes 10:8
... who so breaketh a hedge, a serpent shall bite him. (KJV)
For instance, lets look at an example involving finance. Many Christians ask God for money or help in paying bills or emergency financial needs and that is well and fine. But many are disappointed when little or nothing happens in relief. Yet the scriptural side concerning finances is in many many cases ignored. We are showed scripturaly not borrow (Deuteronomy 15:6) for if you do, you end up a servant to that lender. (Proverbs 22:7) And if you’re a servant to the lender then you are not a servant to God because a man can’t serve two masters. (Matthew 6:24). So now when or if you pray for finances God has to go through everything you have set up that is contrary to Him that caused the wall to be compromised and the serpent allowed in. That contrary separation of thought and deed toward God is called iniquity [a violation of right or duty]. In addition, if you don’t believe in tithing, giving or prosperity, you are going to hit a glass ceiling pretty fast on that need. But it is not uncommon for people to blame God regardless for leaving them in the lurch so to speak.
So the point here is to illustrate issue number one of three that how we think has more to do with our issues than anything. As a man thinks - so is he. The most common denominator in all of our issues is us. It is only by the renewing of our mind can we utilize the blessings in our life and recognize the system embedded in the Kingdom of Heaven that is upon us now. When all provision is located in the Kingdom then it is paramount to identify, know, and follow the Kingdom principles.
The suffering the scripture is talking about in Romans is the spiritual discomfort brought on by the renewing of the mind or flesh. In that renewal we are expected to resist pressure that Satan doles out to us to make us do the things we don’t want to do, and not do things we should. It is not a physical or mental suffering. Jesus died for that. If you still feel obligated to suffer, try to depend on God exclusively to meet your needs for real and not man. Most people can’t stand under that kind of pressure at all. Paul tells us flat out what suffering with Christ means.
Romans 12:1,2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (KJV)
You could even read this backward for extra punch. [To prove what is good and acceptable to the Lord, you have to renew your mind in order not to conform to this world. And this would be acceptable as a living sacrifice.] In short being a living sacrifice is not conforming to the world and being transformed in how you think about almost everything. And in this process you are able to prove [to give demonstration of by action] what is good, perfect and in God’s will for you. Everything inside will say get a loan, buy some smokes, watch that R rated movie, sleep with that girl or boy you just met, don’t pray over your food in public, don’t mention Jesus, Don’t give your money to that person, I can’t pray just fifteen minutes a day. These are the real sufferings people need to engage. If these sufferings where taken more serious the physical and mental sufferings would be less frequent and eventually diminish.
Our struggle isn't against flesh and blood. We spiritually stand against our own principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness, and wicked spirits in high places (Ephesians 6:12). The object of Satan is to actually put us under the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2).
Hopefully, as we go through these conversions in our mind the more we start to trust God. If we trust [steadfastness] in His Word our spirit will be strengthened. And in being strengthened we will be perfect [mature] and entire, lacking nothing. This is the joy of temptations and pressures. It means with every conquest we gain the position to move closer to maturity. Very few people learn lessons through sickness, disease, poverty, and death. In out hearts we know that to be true and the religious “suffer like Christ” has little or no comfort.
Beloved, I wish above all things that you will prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. We have the mind of Christ. It is up to us to be renewed to that fact. We have the power to change. People struggle with quitting smoking but that does not mean they can’t quit. The struggle is the smoke screen to your destiny. You are pre-ordained to be a winner. You may walk through the shadow of death but remember that the shadow of a dog never bit anyone.

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